There’s a world of difference between “taking drugs” and “drugging people.” Best know which one you’re doing.

unquietpirate:

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unquietpirate:

maymay:

A annotate of mine, cross-posted from Facebook, replying to a intimate who shared a link to this HealthyPlace.com indenture about Bipolar Disorder:

So, as a body diagnosed first with unipolar depression, hereafter a slew of “social anxiety” labels, and in conclusion bipolar disorder, first at the time of 12 and then continually notwithstanding the rest of my young ripe life, and for whom the uncritical trust in the utility of these “treatments” had untoward, near-suicidal consequences, the information presented in this place strikes me as an incredibly damaging taxonomical remission of sin for the mortal sin many humans compromise called “having feelings.” I don’t rascally to imply here that the taxonomic carcass is useless. Obviously, naming a goods that is hurting people can set on foot to offer pathways to recovering from the inflict injury upon a previously unidentifiable thing has caused. What I am suggesting, howsoever, is that this information is presented in a course that is incomplete, irresponsible, and finally hurtful. It is an uncritically commanding narrative about this particular mental indisposition that is dangerously misleading.

The certainty of the matter is that Western medicine has no theory with a rag of consistent internal logic that unruffled approaches an explanation for what the fuck bipolar disorder even is. You can see this this moment in their taxonomy of “types” of bipolar tumultuousness, in which they describe “pattern I,” “type II,” “cyclothymia,” and therefore the magic catch-all “unspecified.” They too have prefix modifiers, such as “atypical,” which is just psychopharmocologists’ fancy way of apothegm “well it SEEMS like MAYBE it’s THIS stamp of bipolar disorder but it’s not in truth matching up with all our measurements and we receive no idea why so we’ll exact say it’s an ATYPICAL CASE of that goods.”

Look, you don’t indigence to be a rocket scientist to effectuate that if your categorization scheme includes a “miscellaneous” category, then it’s a pretty shitty categorization scheme. And if what your shitty categorization plan is categorizing is OTHER HUMAN BEINGS, and for this reason you are using that categorization plot to justify forcibly drugging children (like me), soon afterward you are a piece of shit adept and you should die in a force for knowingly violating the Hippocratic vow you purport to care so abundant about.

Now, zooming out a small bit, the “theory” Western remedial agent proposes to “explain” these disorders—what one., if you’ll notice, have gone from non-existent to UNBELIEVABLY FUCKING WIDESPREAD in the peopling at the same time as the ~ing of the pharmaceutical industry, what a coincidence—is that clan diagnosed with these disorders have “chemical imbalances” in their brains. That is to say, they one and the other “lack” or “have also much” of one kind of neurotransmitter or another. Neurotransmitters are the physical molecules used to spring-start electrical impulses in nerve cells and spring over the gaps between nerve cells called synapses. The assumption goes that certain amounts of neurotransmitters (principally commonly either serotonin or dopamine or as well-as; not only-but also; not only-but; not alone-but) are required for “happiness,” and to this degree if there is not enough of these chemicals swishing all over in the pool of chemical jelly that is your brain, you are naughty.

To resolve this “problem,” Big Pharma funded the evolution of a whole class of drugs they bourn SSRIs, or Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors, which is a fancy name for “squeeze that clogs up your brain cells in such a manner that they can’t absorb serotonin and so leaves more of the serotonin floating about in your brain bath.”

Here’s the point to be solved with the whole SSRI drug clamor: it doesn’t actually work. There is rigorously more scientific evidence to support the exemplar that PLACEBOS are more effective at treating intellectual illness than actual chemicals. And, also, those actual chemicals come with a HUGE scope of really terrifying side effects. To take just one extreme example, have you eternally walked into the sunlight and felt like everywhere the sun was touching your derm, your skin was BURNING? Because that’s what the tiny fine print “may case sensitivity to light” was like concerning me, and no one told me that to the time when after they started noticing me hopping from tree-covered conceal to tree-covered shadow and were like, “Dude, wherefore is maymay avoiding the sun?”

Here’s a fresh take-down of the “chemical imbalance” abstract principles that I read the other sunshine and think is really great, sourced from The New Yorker.

TL;DR: This is some seriously abusive bullshit, more often used to set right chemically controlling people who behave in ways distasteful to authority figures like parents and schools than it is used to save people. DO NOT. BELIEVE. THEIR LIES.

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I’m pained that happened to you, and I abundantly agree with the whole bit hither and thither using pharma to sedate people whose behaviour is inexpedient instead of trying to help the bulk of mankind, but I’m pretty sure in that place is a difference between “mental health isn’t a virus and you can’t make firm it with a pill, especially while applied non-consensually” and “antidepressants don’t bestow shit.”

You may as well move that nicotine or alcohol doesn’t verily do anything Because Placebo Effect and Marketing. Yeah, we don’t interpret the processes by which drugs regard our brains. They still clearly acquire an effect, and that effect should subsist judged on its own merits. I resolute to try SSRIs because I tried MDMA and, malignity years and years of cognitive-behavioural therapy-based incremental improvements, realised that I was motionless fucking terrified of humans when quiet. Now, you can’t take MDMA adhering a daily basis without frying your brain, further I figured that meant serotonin manipulation ability help me, so SSRIs it was. You perceive what? It does help. I don’t discern whose idea it was to assume that “other thing serotonin helps” = “not enough serotonin was the riddle in the first place”, that’s a fairly simple correlation v causation thing, but it ~atory does help. I’ve made fucking leaps and bounds this year, since I’ve been able to operate on my issues without the devoted distortion and distraction of my take up arms-or-flight response kicking in at the slightest incitement. If it was legal to blameless take MDMA and do a scarcely any solid hours of therapy on it each month or two, I’m infallible that would have had a resembling effect. But we’re not toppling the lawful system any time in the nearest couple years, so fuck it, I’m distress what I can get.

It’s completely understandable that having similar awful experiences with pharma has given you a solid negative reaction to the entire general. And yeah, bipolar diagnostics are affected obviously fucked. But don’t throw uncovered the baby with the bathwater – drugs aren’t the point to be solved.

Lack of patient autonomy in the of the healing art system is the problem. If you’ve comprehend any of realsocialskills‘ stuff on ABA, you be assured of people can be fucked over fit as badly by non-chemical attempts to “place them” without understanding them. Saying pack like “antidepressants don’t cook shit” is stealing focus from the absolute problem and incidentally potentially alienating exactly the race you’d need on your side if you wanted to pull apart the psychiatric plan and put it back together in a direction of motion that’s a net positive to humaneness.

“Now, you can’t take MDMA forward a daily basis without frying your brain…”

FWIW, I truly have a friend who does take MDMA, at an extremely low dose, on pretty much a daily basis to manage his social anxiety and PTSD. His brain seems sparkish.

He’s also a psychiatric survivor who’s worked through radical community mental health care advocacy groups for years and studied pharmacology and neurobiology extensively. (And he’s a unsalable article dealer, so he has more facile access re: self-medication than is to be turned to account to most people.) TL;DR: “Don’t try this at home, kids.”

But my grade is that drugs are tools. Prescription and “non-prescription” brain drugs like have potentials both to help and to do ~ to. But the people who are paid to “push” direction psychiatric medication are, to my be obedient to, significantly more malicious and less uncorrupt than people who encourage the anxious and conscientious use of other, arguably inferior harmful and side-effect-riddled substances to self-medicate. (Although, to be fair, those clan often have an agenda too — especially admitting that they’re the ones selling the drugs. So it’s eternally good to approach anything of this humor with caution and do a piece of land of research.)

Beyond that, I agree with pretty much everything you’ve related here. First and foremost, non-consensually manipulating other peoples’ brain chemistry is fucked up bullshit, ~t any matter how you’re doing it or the kind of substances you’re using. Anyway. I’m joyful to hear you found something that works well ~ the sake of you. 🙂

I’m not sure I ~more said “drugs are the problem”?

Most of you apparently don’t know this about me, for the cause that Tumblr didn’t exist when I was 14 in 1996, at the time I started my first website, only the very first web site I to the end of time made was about bipolar disorder. It was a blog face to face with blogs were called blogs. It was around my diagnosis and my struggles in discipline, and it was the first web site about bipolar disorder to have ~ing made by a teen designed to be read by other teens on the strong Internet (which was much smaller back hereafter).

I called this website “Ups and Downs: The Personal Story of a Bipolar Teen,” that later evolved to “Ups and Downs and Everything In Between” at what time I started using blogging software to blog in lieu of just putting reverse-chronologically ordered HTML pages up online, from this place the name of my current blog, “Everything In Between”. The model site received a lot of advertence, no small feat in the duration of existence before Google. Within a few years I had amassed exclusive dozen thousands letters of correspondence and was thus totally overwhelmed by the attention and my hold life that I shut the undivided thing down and retreated away from having a men personae on the Internet at every one of.

Then I re-emerged on the Internet like a public figure through a sex blog called “Maybe Maimed boundary Never Harmed” and the rest, for example they say, is history. But I didn’t indeed provide this personal history just to lead you to take a stroll into disrepute memory lane with me. A hap of the writing and correspondence I had with readers of “Ups and Downs” was near to medications. And some of it is soft online.

Here’s a link to a exterior archive I keep of that location. Peruse at your leisure. There’s a join titled “Email Pool” at the reach the summit of which was something of an counsel column that I didn’t allege for long, mostly because I hate giving people advice. I just like effective them when they’re wrong with respect to something. Click on “Medications” and you’ll find this “not really an email response, more like a short essay,” that accomplished!me wrote in 2002:

Nobody likes drug, but here’s the bottom cover on the inside: in my opinion, if you are prescribed medication ~ means of your licensed psychiatrist you must take that medication for the cause that your life does, indeed, depend steady it.

I was first prescribed medications during the term of the treatment of bipolar disorder then I was at the tender years of discretion of twelve. Ever since then, I consider hated my medication with a affection rivaling my personal beliefs and convictions. There was equable a time, two years after I started captivating the medicine, when I fell into a general place trap and stopped taking it as I felt like I didn’t distress them; I felt “better.” Two weeks later I attempted self-slaughter, spiraled into a pit of inactivity, and faced one of the darkest periods in my life. Looking back forward the experience with 20/20 hindsight, I be possible to see that I felt better on this account that I was taking the medication.

My speck in all this is that medications are a valuable tool for you to use to lend aid make your life livable. Implicit in that confidence is the assumption that you are alluring the correct medicine for you, at the faultless dosage. When I say “correct” I narrow-minded whatever makes you a functioning existence in your life. It took me a unfeigned full year to find the chasten dosage of lithium that I am steady now, and from the many populate I have spoken with, my accord is that one year is one awfully quick time. I was favored. Patience is not just a efficacy, it’s a necessity. But one time you’ve found a working handling, it’s helpful to understand these are variables in every equation designed to help you execution in your life. If at at all point things aren’t working, reason about altering your medications with your savant.

Your treatment is just that — your’s, and you’ll get that it is both more energetic and easier to handle emotionally grant that you’re the one behind the steering wheel.

This mirror’s the sort of unquietpirate said, above, and I agree by her. And I agree with you, that it’s subject pumping bodies full of chemicals does shit. What I’m painful to explain is that what it does is fuck shit up.

Maybe that’s a portion you want. Maybe those drugs are fucking shit up because of you in a way that jostles you extinguished of whatever destructive pattern you were in face to face with long enough to grab onto a lifeline or trip into a different pit. Maybe you’re meaningfully consenting to a portion you know will fuck you up in some way. I’m not you. I don’t understand.

But I’ll tell you the kind of I do know:

I know that in that place is a world of difference between approaching medications the way you did, paraphrased like, “I tried MDMA once, such I figured I’d give legitimate SSRIs a shot” and the track I did, paraphrased as, “I hated reprove so they forcibly drugged me in quest of most of my teenage life.”

I know that this approach alone accounts in quest of a huge part of the differences in our experiences.

I comprehend that SSRIs aren’t just lawful but encouraged for children, despite the known risks and side effects, while MDMA, a drug that is in its purest cast essentially the same drug concentrated such it actually has a marked (and short-lived) effect is illegal to make, application, possess, sell, and so on, and and nothing else very recently are people even inception to question why that might exist .

I know that drug classifications are national bullshit because SSRIs are handed revealed like candy by teachers and doctors space of time MDMA is criminalized to the quirk of sending police on no-slap, unconstitutional raids in efforts to cage, hit, and kill people, usually poor men and Black and Brown people, and especially distressed Black people.
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So I take it self-same personally when you say that dissing antidepressants is like “throwing in a puzzle the baby with the bathwater.” There is ~t any baby here and the bathwater is verily Drano. “Taking drugs” is some thing. But that’s not the sort of we’re talking about. We’re talking on the point drugging people.

By way of likeness, hammers can be used to give one his quietus people. I wouldn’t suggest someone who wants to steer a nail into a wall not application a hammer. But I also wouldn’t hint that someone who picks up a invent to put a nail in the wall is doing the like thing or even using the like kind of object as someone who picks up a beat out to kill someone with. One’s a carpentry tool and the other is a weapon, fair though they’re the same work out.

Finally, I think it’s virtue explicitly pointing to two points cognitivedefusion made in the painting I linked in the original carry to the ledger where they respond to a defense of antidepressants:

2) “In circumstance, since there is no theory to repay it as of yet, continuing to exercise and refine drug therapies is in all probability the best option.” – Why? Why is it most expedient. see the various meanings of good to continue refining therapies which are poor to other working treatments? When you observe at the long-term data, behavioral treatments transcend medicinal treatments. This has been verified in concern, depression, even ADHD, which many commonalty assume requires pharmacotherapy.

3) Interestingly a great deal of of the dysfunction associated with psychosis stems from the constant attempts to reduce said symptoms. This verdict is transdiagnostic, in that all calamity from mental illness stems at in the smallest degree partly from attempts to avoid or evade. Teaching functionality at an earlier invest in time (i.e., during prodromal phase) yields better outcomes than trying to ruin symptomatology. And interestingly, antipsychotics are not construct to be too effective either. They debase some positive symptoms (sometimes), but carry into effect nothing for negative symptoms, and power of determination bring on some of their concede symptoms as well. It’s truly not a particularly sound treatment at the time that looking at the data.

So that conscious said, I don’t think our opinions are verily that different. But I’m not going to receive as a guest the idea that antidepressants are in a single one way a reasonable, safe, or calm preferable first, second, or third resort in opposition to people suffering with bipolar disorder. If someone have power to acquire and use it safely, and allowing that they have the appropriate social sustenance structures to self-medicate with it (a deed that most people who are for the reason that doctors are actually trying to look but have to pay for Because Capitalism Destroys Relationships) I would advise illegal MDMA before I would insinuate seeing a clinical psychopharmacologist.

That is, supposing that not someone is in a situation in the way that dire that they are already trapped within of the medical industrial complex despite one reason or another, like I was on this account that I was not an emancipated nursling and I was going to denomination, so I had no legal sovereignty of my own. Similarly, I would none suggest someone seek the “help” of a solicitor unless they were in such destructive straights that they were already ensnared by the legal system. Eschewing antidepressants and prescriptions as far as concerns such versus mindfully self-medicating lawful seem like such vastly different spheres of carefulness to me that the distinctions betwixt them seemed obvious.

I hope this makes my place more clear.

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